Just over a year ago, I heard about a three-day weekend program called Landmark Forum, an educational experience presented by a “Forum Leader” to large groups of people (50-200) who sought to improve their life situations by going through this experience. Delivered by a company known as Landmark Education, the Forum is their flagship course and is presented to over 100 000 people worldwide every year.
Over the past year, I encountered many different opinions, both online and in person. These opinions ranged from extremely positive (“The most important three days of my life, bar none.”) to extremely negative (“They are a cult – all they want is your money, and they’ll never stop calling you once you’re on their list.”).
I figured that anything that elicited such polarized reactions from people had to have something interesting and potentially exciting at its core. I decided to keep learning more, and perhaps even to consider experiencing the Forum for myself.
I finally decided to try out the Forum for myself after two different conversations with a couple of intelligent and well-balanced friends. I respected – and respect – these men. They are both strong individuals who have experienced both triumph and tragedy in their lives. They described their own Forum experiences in simple language, and explained to me what the process was all about. And so, with some trepidation, I signed up. This is the review of my Landmark Forum experience.
The Experience
Landmark is extremely well-organized. A few weeks before the Forum, I got a postcard asking me to confirm my registration by phone. I called and a friendly man at the other end of the line indicated that my registration was confirmed. Having paid the full amount by credit card, I wasn’t sure why this step was necessary. (Apparently, I later learned, some people put down a deposit or pay in full, and then chicken out and decide not to show up.)
When you arrive, smiling volunteers give you a name tag and direct you to the conference room where the Forum takes place. The conference room is clean and organized with military precision. Chairs are ordered in neat, equally spaced rows and spaces between chairs are measured via the width of a Kleenex box. Everything is intentional, and nothing distracts participants from the business at hand. The focal point of the room is a low stage riser with chalkboards, a table, and a tall chair for the Forum leader. Microphones flank the stage, where the participants go to share their stories and receive live coaching from the Forum leader.
The rules are equally precise: the Forum starts at exactly 9:00 AM; no food or drinks are allowed in the Forum room, aside from water; time out consists of two 30 minute pauses for toilet, snacks and phone calls, and one 90 minute dinner period; note taking is discouraged during Forum time, not because of confidentiality of the course material, but because participants are encouraged to give full attention to the Forum leader and the participant “sharing” his or her story at the front of the room.
Online rumors that I had read about “not being allowed to go to the bathroom” were totally unfounded. The Forum leader explained that he couldn’t guarantee any results (“getting it”, in Forum lingo) to a participant if he wasn’t there for the full experience. That being said, anyone was permitted, though not encouraged, to walk out of the room at any time for whatever reason (e.g. cigarette, phone, bathroom, emotional overwhelm).
The process is described as experiential learning, as distinguished from informational learning. Informational learning is primarily based on moving things from the category “we know that we don’t know” into the category “we know that we know”. Examples include acquiring a new language or learning calculus – we can figure out in an instant whether we don’t know Hindi or calculus, and determine how to get from A to B.
On the other hand, the Forum is described as a means for getting access to the category “we don’t know that we don’t know” – those blind spots in interpersonal relations, habits, or behaviors that keep tripping us up because we don’t even know that they are there.
The Forum cycles between a few main activities. The leader presents concepts in a high-energy, theatrical fashion, sometimes acting out scenes of interpersonal conflict, parental mistreatment, and other human drama, and sometimes scribbling and sketching on the chalkboards to illustrate a concept or principle being taught. After a topic is presented, the leader often asks the participants to share in conversation with the person next to them what they’ve learned, and how it might apply in their own life.
The most intense parts of the Forum occur when people go to the front of the room to “share” with the whole group, and receive coaching from the leader. The intention of this is to help the participant observe blind spots and contradictions in their own thoughts and actions – primarily in their interpersonal relationships, thought other areas can also be examined. In turn, this is intended to help them to achieve a “breakthrough” that will interrupt their habitual reactions, help them imagine other options, and empower them with greater flexibility to choose their behavior in the future.
The “sharing / coaching” segments of the Forum often wind up with participant in tears, and / or the leader shouting at the participant. Well, not at the participant, exactly, but at the mental cage of bullshit and lies in which they are trapped. (“I’m not shouting at you, I’m shouting at your stuff. I’m on your side. Do you want to let this go or do you want to let the past run your life?”)
It becomes clear at these points why we signed a waiver stating that we are emotionally healthy – these confrontations can be intense and are likely to unpack difficult memories for both the person standing at the microphone, and those sitting in the audience. My own life coaches never got in my face this way, or this aggressively, that’s for sure.
By observing the process of a person confronting a difficult situation in his life, in real time, and then beginning (and sometimes even completing) the process of forgiving others and forgiving himself, the members of the audience find themselves able to imagine themselves going through that same process. And it’s a good thing, too, because now it’s time for the phone calls!
In the Forum, all of us participants are encouraged to do our own work of “completing the past”, by calling those people with whom we have conflicts and apologizing for our own contribution to that conflict. To my mind, this has a two-fold purpose. First, it allows the participant to get a lot more value from his participation in the forum, by taking tangible action instead of just thinking about it. Second, it is a brilliant viral marketing strategy that gets participants to communicate to loved ones (or former loved ones), in their own language, how the Forum is helping them interrupt some of their destructive behavior patterns of the past.
I know that if I received a tearful and apologetic phone call from a person with whom I had a conflict, I’d be curious about how they arrived at the decision to take that action. (“Well, I appreciate your apology. You say you’re at some sort of ‘forum’ this weekend, huh? What’s that all about?”) In the Tuesday follow-up session after the weekend, graduates are encouraged to bring friends and family and persuade them to sign up for the course. Since Landmark doesn’t advertise, word of mouth is the main way that people hear of them.
After a 13 hour day of emotional roller-coaster rides, it’s time for some homework. We’re encouraged to draft letters to other people in our lives, taking responsibility for areas in which we have been inauthentic or untruthful. We’re urged to examine our “rackets” – the situations where we execute habitual, disempowering behavior patterns by complaining that something or someone should be different from how it actually is. And in place of all this bad stuff, we’re asked to draft new ways of behaving and being through the phrase “the possibility I am creating for myself and my life is the possibility of being…”.
The Basics
The specific knowledge I acquired was relatively simple and straightforward. It didn’t seem to be the main point of the experience. Landmark itself makes the syllabus available on their web site so there’s no big mystery about the specific learnings that one will acquire at the Forum.
Some of the key messages that I received are:
- We are all concerned with looking good to others and fitting in with others. The reality is that most people are too afraid of other people – i.e. of being judged and criticized – to do any judging themselves. And if they do judge us, so what? Everyone winds up in the same place eventually – dead.
- We are all inauthentic assholes who lie and cheat our way through life, take the easy way out, and blame other people for our own problems.
- There’s no meaning intrinsic to events that happened in our lives. Humans act like “meaning making machines” and construct the meaning of everything in our lives. (Yes, everything.)
- There’s “what happened” and there’s “my story about what happened”. Assuming these two things to be the same is the source of much pain and conflict.
- If we don’t “complete” the past, we bring the injuries and complaints of the past – i.e. the meanings that we have created – into the present and the future. In that case, we are literally “living into a future” that is polluted with the complaints and baggage of the past.
- Completing the past consists of: forgiving ourselves for what happened (even if it wasn’t our fault), and forgiving others whom we have been blaming and “making wrong” for their roles in past events; and consciously choosing to let go of stories and meanings that we have previously attributed to those events.
- Our use of language constructs our experience of reality. When we use change-based language, we take what’s pre-existing (and, presumably, “wrong”) and attempt to change it. When we use possibility-based / transformation-based language, and complete the past, we create a new future into which we can live with excitement, optimism, and passion.
The Forum in popular culture
My experience was also filtered through my past experience of movies and books that were known to have been influenced or inspired by the Forum.
It’s well known, for example, that Chuck Palahniuk attended a Forum before writing Fight Club, the novel that was turned into the greatest and most inspirational movie ever. This inspiration is clear in a lot of the language that I encountered in the Forum – “thank you for sharing yourself with us”, “let’s acknowledge so-and-so”, and so on. Many of these phrases – word for word – turned up repeatedly in the support groups attended by the main character of that movie.
Within the movie, the structure of the fight club itself also owes a debt to the Forum. The rules-based, tough-love framework, guided and led by a theatrical and charismatic leader, is reminiscent of the Forum experience. Of course, in contrast to Rules 1 and 2 – “do not talk about Fight Club” – we were strongly encouraged to talk about the Forum to anyone and everyone who would listen (as well as those who wouldn’t).
In contrast to the maudlin, sappy support groups, the aggressive and confrontational nature of the underground fight club helps the men who participate in it connect to something exciting, inspiring, primal, and truly empowering. In a very similar way, the bracing (metaphorical) slap in the face of the Forum converts “poor me” stories of self-pity and victimhood, into strength of will and determination to live into an unknown future of bold power and possibility.
The uncomfortable and “unreasonable” homework assignments are another common theme between the Forum and the movie. They take what would otherwise be an inspiring but artificial exercise (whether it be a conversation in a conference room, or a bare-knuckle boxing match in a dive bar’s basement), and redirect that newly liberated energy into transforming participants lives and the environments around them.
The movie Revolver is another one that kept coming to mind during my Forum experience. Less well known than Fight Club, Revolver is about a gangster recently released from prison who finds himself in the middle of an intricate con game run by two mysterious strangers.
At one point, during a high-tension moment in a sharing session in my Forum, the leader shouted at the participant:
You don’t see that I’m on your side. I’m not shouting at you because I want to kill you. I’m trying to kill it.
(“it” being the disempowering story that the participant was telling that kept her trapped, more or less).
Upon hearing these words, I recalled a line from Revolver:
The greatest con that he ever pulled, was making you believe that he is you.
At this, I felt something in my mind strain and then give way, with a little click. Tears followed. In the movie, “he” is the ego, the story that you make up and then tell in order to make things make sense, make yourself right and others wrong, and make yourself look good.
Another line from Revolver is relevant:
One thing I’ve learned in the last seven years: in every game and con there’s always an opponent, and there’s always a victim. The trick is to know when you’re the latter, so you can become the former.
In our lives, we’re all the victim of a con (in Forum-speak, a “racket”), that is set up and run by our ego. Until we realize this, we’re at his mercy, but once we do, we can turn the tables on the opponent and liberate ourselves. We recognize that we only have an ego – our egos are not us.
Most people, however, don’t realize this, since they are knee deep in the games of creating conflict, impressing others, and being right. And of course, in the words of Caesar (echoed by the movie):
The greatest enemy will hide in the last place you would ever look.
You can probably guess where that is.
Reflections and conclusions
The experience itself was epic and fun, even as it was emotionally draining. Jerry Baden, the leader of the Forum I attended, was an exuberant and entertaining guy. He had a faint physical resemblance to the actor Gilbert Gottfried, but with a much nicer voice (something for which I was very grateful, given that he was speaking to us the whole time). His performance was rich with humor and personal anecdotes. As he put it:
You’ll go back to your families on Sunday night and they’ll ask you what happened, and you’ll say “I spent the whole weekend getting yelled at by some Jew with no eyes and all teeth”.
Jerry’s energy level was immense – being the hub of the forum experience for well over 100 people, he was always either listening, speaking, writing on the chalkboards, or running around the stage (and once in a while, around the entire conference room). For 13 hours a day. At age 60.
It wasn’t just entertaining, of course. This kind of stuff has a Very Important Purpose, dammit. And I did acquire and practice a number of useful thought patterns such as:
- Asking myself if I was blaming other people or situations (“making them wrong”) rather than taking responsibility for my own thoughts and feelings.
- Being more playful and irreverent about things (as though I needed help with that!), and taking all situations in life far less seriously.
- Knowing that any hesitation and anxiety in social or interpersonal situations is pointless – life is short, after all – and reminding myself that others are at least as scared of me as I am of them. Probably even more so, since I’m so powerful and intimidating.
- Feeling more courageous about setting audacious and exciting life goals, and bringing others on board to help me achieve them.
Because of the experiential learning model, instead of writing these things down in a notebook, I managed to install and experience them as the seeds of new habits. With ongoing practice, they are likely to strengthen and take hold over time, but I definitely feel as though being able to experience these states directly during the learning process was worthwhile. A lot of this stuff, I already agreed with or “knew”, but the Forum experience helped me solidify it in a more visceral way.
So what does this all mean? Should you do the Forum yourself? Well, of course, I can’t answer that question for anyone else.
Think about it this way, though. As with so many experiences, a person’s expectations will guide what results he receives. (Put another way, in the words of Robert A. Wilson, “what the thinker thinks, the prover proves”.) If a person expects to encounter a bunch of scam artists and salesmen looking for his money, that’s what he will see. If a person expects to encounter some unusual and interesting experiences that can help with goals, communication, and interpersonal relationships, that’s what he will get.
Speaking for myself, I went in cautiously optimistic, and I found it valuable, entertaining, and worth my $485. And I expect to put the experiences and learnings into practice in my life in the days, weeks, and months ahead.
And you? If you choose to go to the Forum, you’ll receive whatever meaning you create out of it.
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Simply more circular rhetoric from a Landmark fanatic…
Are u Kidding me take respobsibility for me..lol You my freind went there without any real true conflict as being phyicaly abused as a child ,I am suppose to call this person and tell them I forgive them or forgive me ,,lmao Sale that shit to some desperate Whats wrong with me floormat.. Omg Life coach ,No complete idiot..
Well george I am not sure if this reply was meant for me but if it was then I must say you know nothing about my life. If I read your reply correctly and you had been abused as a child then you have my deepest compassion. To abuse a child is a terrible thing to do.
I have my own experience around anger and pain. You are not the only person to be dealt a shitty life card. I decided to dig myself out and not allow my past to affect my present life because life sucked at that time, more than you know. Don’t make me wrong for your life I had nothing to do with your life. You see I learnt a long time ago that if I carried around the story about those who dealt me the shitty life card than they would still be in control of my life so I decided to take control of my life. You see these words and others (my reply) are true because they belong to me and no one else. You cannot say they are not true because they do not belong to you or anyone else. This was my experience in life.
I am not about to tell you what to do or not to do, that would be up to you to decide. That would be, lets say, your journey in life.
Good luck to you, love yourself into life.
George,
As was said, only an individual can make the decision to attend the Forum for your own personal reasons. I was sexually abused as a child and the pain and anger I feel along with the shame and fear I still carry with me are keeping me from getting all that I want out of life. I have been through counselling and have worked with a life coach but I feel I am ready to release my anger, and yes, if it comes to that, forgive my attacker. I need to confront this individual, not to get an apology or vindication but to close the most ugly chapter in my life so far. If the Forum will give me the tools and confidence to move past this then I will be rewarded with the freedom to move on. If it doesn’t, I’m hoping I can work on other, less significant areas regarding personal relationships and some of my other quirks. It doesn’t hurt to try and improve your life EVER so even if I meet new people it won’t be a weekend wasted.
I wish you peace in your own personal journey.
M
I am very proud of you, you are so brave. Take it head on and the gifts you will receive are simply amazing. Just have no expectations. Just Be. Thank you for sharing. You are an inspiration to all of us.
Thanks Victor,
It’s been a few weeks since I did the Forum and I just started my sessions. I have to say I did find peace with my past during the Forum and I did not have to call the person in order to do so. I learned I was giving power to certain memories that were holding me back and would send me into a panic with anxious fears. I can say that since the forum I have had only a couple of these memories pop up (usually when I was talking about my experiences) and they no longer cause my heart to race and my palms to sweat. I am just being, those things are not happening to me “right now” and I feel so in control that I can just acknowledge and dismiss in an instant and move on. There were several stories of abuse and violence that people worked through that I didn’t even have to talk about it and by Friday evening I had already found the peace I had been hoping for. What I have discovered is that my power was taken away from me and to deal with it I felt I had to be in control in all times. The impact that was having on my life was in the here and now so it is something I can choose to serve me instead of having it hold me back.
Victor, your reply to George makes me wonder, are you the author of the column above? Because the column is attributed to “Jack, February 2011″
I’m the author of the column.
-Jack
No, I am Spartacus!
i m the cause in my life.
I am not sure why you would think that but no I was simply responding to “george’s” post.
I first took the Forum in 1973 from Werner Erhart. I followed up with every post grad course and summer camp offered. Then, when the name changed to forum, I took all those courses in the 80′s.
Folks, the 1973 experience was the most profound experience I had ever had and still to this day, I utilize many of the tools I absorbed experiencially. This remark is in spite of 5 years military experience (60-65) in Viet Nam and Germany as a airborne combat medic. Years of corporate executive experience since 1973 was helped each and every day by the experience.
If you have not done the Forum, just do it. No reasoning, no vicarious experience, no nothing will prepare you, just do it! For yourself, your family, and your career! Then, let me know how you feel! It’s not about the Forum, the format, the instructor, it is truly about you! Give yourself a gift.
Totally agree and well stated.
Interesting! I never heard any forum/conference like that before.
It sounds a little harsh for me. However this conference may help people who can not progress because they can’t let go of the past, and can’t think about anything else because their mind is occupy with fear and worry all the time. This forum may help to shake those off and open up our mind to a happier life.
Agreed–Cult or not–anything that stirs you up, makes you think and motivates to change your life postively is OK in my book. The question of the value is a personal thing. I got my money’s worth out ot the basic forum and the free seminar included. I’ve had no desire to continue with the advanced course, etc, but the course has made me think and challeged my behaviors even a year on. There’s no magic bullet or quick fixes to life–just people and tools that help us to broaden our horizons–a ongoing process
That’s true. Nothing change unless you change your mindset, your vision in life and implement what you learn. It’s also very important to surround yourself with people who can support you and make you grow to the next level, to live your life to the fullest.
This, by far, is one of the best responses that I have read to this article and to the Landmark Forum experience. I have not yet been a participant in the Landmark Forum but I have been involved in Christian Encounters. I plan to take advantage of the Landmark Forum experience (having recently been introduced to Landmark Education by my Daughter who is an Advanced graduate). I agree with Ross, “There’s no magic bullet or quick fixes to life–just people and tools that help us to broaden our horizons–a ongoing process.” I do plan to take advantage of what Landmark Forum has to offer me in getting past the limits that I have placed on my life and overcoming the hurdles in my life. I recognize this impasse in my life for what it is and I believe that I have been introduced to Landmark Education because it will help me to overcome the limits and embrace all that God has for my life!! It is no accident that I have been introduced to Landmark Education at this time in my life when I have already embarked on the journey to let go of the past and to embrace the possibility of a soaring future!!
Very true Connie-do you think God wants us to sit around, stewing in doubt and indecision? We all should be living our lives to the fullest, and hopefully selflessly enough to be able to give something to others. Motivation is tough one–takes something different for everyone to get off our ass and actually start living!
keep in mind, it’s about you. You feel harsh now, then harsh may be something runningyou alrfeady. want to drop harsh from your life, then just put yourself into the forum and youwill learn all about harch inyourlife.
It is corporate Buddhism. Simple explanation..
I’ve done the Forum and many other classes. I always have to go back and renew myself. My daughter coaches me all the time. You don’t know what you don’t know.
Jack,
Your article was so well written… it allowed me to re-experience the Forum, which I participated in about 14 years ago. You described it perfectly. I just wish you didn’t title it as you did. There may be folks that just read the title and assume that the Forum is a cult or a scam. As Pierce on Feb 11 wrote – if you haven’t taken the Landmark Forum, give yourself this gift. It will change your life in some way for the better.
Wonderful article and well-stated. Of course, there will always be skepticism about landmark, and anything else that has such a profound impact on people. My experience has been that the skepticism comes from people who haven’t been through the forum. That being said, there are 3% of participants who don’t get lasting benefits from the forum… My guess is that those 3% are more likely to look up your article and criticize landmark which is completely natural and human. The rest of us are too busy, generally, out living our newly created lives of freedom. In terms of sexual abuse, I myself have had an experience with that. Landmark trains you to see things not as a question of morality, but instead asks if you would rather be right about the situation, or would you rather let go of morality and be free from the “terrible” past that runs your life. Anyone who says otherwise, probably did not “get” the landmark forum. And that’s okay. I myself choose to live my life this way because it works for me and I enjoy living with freedom for the past, not everyone wants that or is willing to let go of what’s “right” to get that.
Thank you for the article! I hope it persuades people to stop talking about the forum as a scam and actually do the forum. Might be a better place to argue from if they are so concerned for right and wrong!
I did find this review very helpful in describing the format and experience I could expect if I attend a Landmark Forum. Different than some of the reviews (of this review(er)) that I have read here, this reviewer fairly describes the experience w/out bias and the background noise of “… this is a cult.” I also did not find the language and style used here to be hype, but an explanation of format and what the reviewer got out of Landmark Forum for himself. My experience in attending a Landmark Education Tuesday forum is that Landmark Education can give participants good information and tools to get over hurdles blocking life advance and success. Landmark Education most certainly helps participants to identify those areas of denials — what Landmark Education calls “… what you don’t know that you don’t know.” (I attended the Tuesday session with my Daughter who was graduating from the Advanced forum. It turns out that the Tuesday graduation sessions are really about getting Family & Friends to listen to the Landmark Education pitch.) My approach to anything of this nature is to go in with an open mind about how I can benefit and, then, to take what benefits my life and throw the rest away. I’m looking forward to attending Landmark Forum later this year.
Don’t trust landmark. Having participated in the education extensively for 6 mths (doing the whole circulum for living, communication course, assistancing every week) and then again for a few more months after. I have not received any value from the education. Their focus is on integrity, however they themselves don’t commit to it.
After having done alot of self education stuff, I can say they haven’t given me much value. I originally went their to get focus on leadership but at the whole journey ended up with nothing. Someone I knew who did the education (who has done the introduction leadership program and is now coaching in the course) ended up with the guy who I was seeing at the time, she told me that she wasn’t going to do anything until i became complete with him and next minute I know behind my back she started a relationship with him. Where is the intergrity in that.
Don’t trust landmark. Having participated in the education extensively for 6 mths (doing the whole circulum for living, communication course, assistancing every week) and then again for a few more months after. I have not received any value from the education. Their focus is on integrity, however they themselves don’t commit to it.
After having done alot of self education stuff, I can say they haven’t given me much value. I originally went their to get focus on leadership but at the whole journey ended up with nothing. Someone I knew who did the education (who has done the introduction leadership program and is now coaching in the course) ended up with the guy who I was seeing at the time, she told me that she wasn’t going to do anything until i became complete with him and next minute I know behind my back she started a relationship with him. Where is the intergrity in that?
Also when you talk to them about anything they say “I got it” but it leaves you with the feeling that they are only using the landmark language with inauthenticity.
Kim, You get you just created a whole story about Landmark based on something that happened…This is the main distinction covered day 1 of Landmark.
What happen= your boyfriend cheated on you.
Your Story you made to be true= My boyfriend cheated on me therefore I got nothing from landmark.
J I would say you are right on the mark. You know we live in stories and we love stories.
“I got it” just means I understand what you’re saying. It doesn’t mean “I agree” or anything beyond that.
I agree with Jim on this one though. Your ex-bf and this other person from Landmark started a relationship. Maybe that’s okay or maybe they’re jerks, depending upon the situation. Either way, Landmark didn’t tell them to date, so I’m not sure why you’re grinding that axe here.
After reading all these comments, it seems to me that the questions about Landmark fundamentally boil down to this: Is Landmark a form of “brainwashing” in which groups of people are led to uncritically accept another version of reality, or is it a form of “deprogramming” to see reality for what it is instead of what society has brainwashed us to believe? Judging solely by the results people report to have produced in their lives out of their participation at Landmark, I’m inclined to believe the latter possibility is the most likely.
My personal thoughts could perhaps possess transformed, but not the reality that Now i’m appropriate.
In 1986 I had met a 19 year old alcoholic who’s parents had him”do” the forum as he didn’t conform to their expectations. Since then he has “done” the forum and multiple treatment centers like a billion times. The last I heard he did the acting for non actors seminar. At the age of 50 he is still a massive alcoholic who lives on his parents wealth to gain his own wealth. If you work for the family company you have to “do” the Forum. I have seen Somali, Mexican and Russian immigrants taken for a ride because they didn’t have a green card.
I have ran a performance venue for the past three decades and every time I invite this person to perform I ask him not to use the venue to promote the Landmark Forum, yet he brings Landmark Forum members who all seem to be hopeless alcoholics. He then turns my performance space into his own recruiting center for the Landmark Forum. Trying to recruit my patrons into the Landmark Forum is just wrong. I no longer invite this person to perform and my venue is now alcohol free once again!!!
doctor doctor, definitely your choice and not wrong but are you not making someone wrong? Landmark, your friend, anyone except you, right! If you are responsible for your life, guess what, none of this happens but we love the drama, we love to point the finger. What is your choice of drama? What is the difference between an alcoholic and one that is addicted to his or her emotions. Now pay attention this maybe worth contemplating if you chose!
I have to agree with the doctor. I participated in Lifespring
Forum in the early 90s. It was a joke and a cruel one at that. The facilitator didn’t like that I was leaving for The Caymens on the Mon Tues they want you to bring more customers/victims so he kicked me out! In front of the large group…it was shallow and extremely cultish.
Mindful marg, do you not want to ask yourself who is annoyed at Lifespring Forum, might it be you. If a flower is not pretty and you are annoyed at the flower then the flower is still not pretty but you have the power to be annoyed or not. Do you not? Do you not have a choice?
Thank you for your reply Victor. I was not annoyed then and I am certainly not now –20 yrs later
. I was however expressing an opinion –it can annoy you or you can and do have the power to just let it pass theough you..
I took EST in the late 70′s and the Forum last year. I honestly think the forum has some very useful, clear insights into why we act the way we do, and what motivates us as humans. That being said, it’s buried deep in a lot of obscure language and exhausting cross-examination of individuals in the group. I’m glad to share my experience of the Forum with anyone for free, but would never try to forcefully recruit anyone into Landmark.
I attended the Landmark Forum the first time in 1993, and followed that with the Advanced Course and a few other courses. I’ve come back and reviewed (retaken) the Forum a couple of times, with as much as a ten-year gap in between. My last contact with Landmark Education was three years ago, and — feeling somewhat overwhelmed by a new job and the passing of several family members — I’m planning to review the Forum again next month.
Speaking as one of the most stubborn and resistant people I know
…it is not a cult. It is intense and can sometimes be confrontational, but — in my case at least — that’s part of what makes it effective. My life is not perfect — but it has been positively impacted by my experience in the Forum. I would not tell anyone that attending the Forum will give them a perfect life, but I do think it will give most people (even highly resistant and stubborn ones) valuable insight (and possibly giant, positive, shifts in how they view themselves and the world around them) that can lead to a sense of greater ease and healthier relationships overall. I will also say that it’s almost impossible to understand without having actually participated in it. But I think that’s the case with anything that leads to wisdom — you have to go through it to know it.
Some of the things I got out of it:
– A fulfilling relationship with my father that had previously seemed impossible
– A greater ability to empathize with others
– A deeper understanding of the nature of integrity and the importance and value of keeping promises
– Better communication skills, in both personal and business relationships
– Improved problem-solving skills
– A deeper sense of connection to humanity
It is my belief that The Forum is not necessarily everyone’s be-all-and-end-all to creating a beautiful life or to finding the truth of their life. For some it will be the most profound experience of their life, for others it will be one of many valuable things they’ve experienced, and for a few it won’t be useful at all. But for me it was an invaluable experience that I would not trade for a winning lotto ticket. If your reading this to decide if it’s for you, I’d suggest that the most you risk is three days and a (relatively) insignificant amount of money — so just go for it.
Authentic, as a Landmark graduate I am proud of your honesty and it seems you are taking responsibility for your life. Right ON!! Of course simply my opinion!
The past that u can’t forgive is a violation of respect.
That is who you really are . Don’t try to change it . Embrace it
I got that if i can not love my past & forgive i cannot love myself for future.
The you that generates the courage needed
to be
authentic
about
your inauthentic
is
who you really are.
I M V FOOLISH AND WEAK.
If the Landmark seminars were FREE, I would go in a heart beat. It seems as though the techniques, technology and tools they use to help you improve your life and your outlook on life eg. forgiving all the wrongs, letting go of shit in your past, having a positive attitude towards life, being in control, be pro active etc. are all positive things that people can take on board to improve their lives. The concept of Landmark sounds great but because money is involved, it becomes a business (an international scale one at that) and people see it as a cult. People steer clear of cults. It is as simple as that. In an ideal world, we can take away the financial side of it and everyone will happily tend. Who wouldn’t want to tend self help/development seminars with happy people who will help make you feel happier about life. Everyone wants to be happy. The intentions of Landmark to its clients are good (change for better) unfortunately it is not genuine and thus there will always be people who will chose to not believe. Everyone deals with things differently. Sure enough some of the stuff they coach can be effective but it does no mean it will work for everyone. Landmark can only try to persist with those people but at the end of the day people are entitled to deal with things their own way and they could be happy with that. People will always have their own opinions and they are entitled to that. So, we don’t need to be constantly told that we are unhappy for you guys to make us happy. And we absolutely do not need to have Landmark related events shoved down our throats all the time. Want to make us happy? Leave us alone.
“leave us alone”
Will do.
SURELY.
Amen.. I attended the Tuesday seminar this week and although I feel that, yes there are some great things that can be learned from the forum, I also believe that there are other ways to grow and achieve personal development in life. My issue with the seminar wasn’t so much the material I was going to learn, it was the delivery and approach that LM took to recruit. It did not feel genuine as non believer stated. It is a business first and foremost before it is a means to help people. The graduates would give off a vibe that it is the only thing stopping others from achieving… I think you can probably get a similar outcome from seeing a shrink…. someone who has doctorate in the field… but then you would be considered a weirdo or may be embarassed by that… so this is group therapy and easier to digest…
People tend to put more value on things they’re paying for. There’s plenty of free seminars, churches, self-help groups etc out there–go find them. Landmark puts pressure on your held ideals and ways of thinking which always creates some stress. I’m convinced that’s why you feel the “high” after you finish. We ususally go through life doing everything we can to avoid difficulty, pain or stress, and yet that’s what usually makes us grow the most–working through and overcoming a problem. Landmark ain’t for everyone, but it showed me challanging myself is a good thing–not to choose the path of least resistance always–
It worked for me. That is all.
I am a graduate. I am also a skeptic, a psychology minor, and have experianced a lot of tramatic things in my life (homelessness, abuse etc.) landmark is about gain tools to help get past your past and find a new way to see the world. We live in a world based on money so yes the are a business, yes I am not always a fan of some of the indivual staff and leaders tactics in pushing you to recrute others, it is the only way they continue to be able to help others that need the help. I would recomend that everyone at least attend the free introduction (free) and see if it might be of interest to them, don’t like it? Don’t attend… Your choice, and in that concept, power!
Thanks for the review. I’ve done landmark courses on and off for 10 years. The Landmark Forum, and other courses they offer, definitely are positively impactful and helped to shape my future more positively. I can’t emphasise the positives enough.
One gripe for me is that the education content is very tightly controlled by the company. You don’t get any text books with the courses and having completed some great courses there (covering topics such as self expression, success, etc) a few years down the line it’s frustrating to have no formal documentation to help refresh/remind me of what I learnt.
Like most personal development, Landmark gives you ‘how-to’ tools for how to improve your life. Now being somewhat of a connesseur with Landmark and other types of training, to me, a pitfall with self help programmes like these can be that you feel like you should keep doing more and more seminars to keep the distinctions alive in your life. This is partly from how courses are structured – with constant encouragement to sign up to the next seminar and then the next one (a lot of personal development training companies operate that way).
This isn’t necessarily a bad option – after all there is a lot of benefit in regularly surrounding yourself with like minded people who are wiling to challenge themselves. Kind of like how seeing a life coach periodically can also help you to stay focussed on positives.
Check out the inside-out coaching approach by the likes of Michael Neil or Jamie Smart on you tube. It knocks how-to personal development on its head. With a lot of self help aimed at throwing loads of information at you, telling you how-to improve, the simple inside-out approach to trusting your own innate guidance system is immensely liberating.
So I did my curriculum for life at Landmark and much more but then I decided that it was always the same thing and decided to stop taking courses. Loved all of the people and the ambiance of being in the presence of so many amazing people was alive but at some point I said its all about me. One of Landmark’s presenters always reminded us that we want them to do it for us, the expression was “do me”. Look at the world we live in, government does it for us, God does it for us. We are always looking to have something, or someone do it for us. Its time we do it ourselves and take responsibility for our lives. Nobody can do it for you. Just my opinion!
In the early 1980′s I had my arm twisted to attend a “Lifespring” recruitment session. Lifespring was the precursor of Landmark and was organized in the same manner — chair placement, people interaction, yelling, etc. Lifespring was sued for the mental damage it did to participants. Landmark is repackaged Lifespring. About half way through the session, we were supposed to talk to the person next to us, as Landmark has its potential inductees do now. I said, “This is bullshit. I’m leaving.” The woman to whom I was speaking replied, “Yes, it is. I wasn’t brave enough to say so myself. Now that you have, I’m leaving too.”
The robots who have come to embrace Landmark just haven’t had the guts to admit what a bad joke this is. I would not be surprised in the least if someone replies to this post by saying, “See? It had a profound effect on you because you remember the effect to this day!” Fine. I also remember my first piece of ass.
I’ve been invited to a Landmark Forum by a friend and coworker. I will gracefully decline. Or maybe, I’ll not be graceful and send the friend a copy of this post.
Jay, not having done Lifespring, I can’t comment on how close it is to Landmark. The reverse is true for you.
Also, it is common for people to have negative reactions to these courses at various before they are finished; those that stick it out until the end often find that their earlier stage of discomfort / displeasure was a necessary part of the process. Because you didn’t complete the course, I don’t see how you are in a position to comment of the value of the course you experienced in its entirety.
Hey, I’d just like to say I totally can see how your experience was not awesome and would like to reply to what you stated about landmark is not factual. Life spring actually has/had nothing to do with landmark. Life spring was founded in 1974 by john Hanley sr. At the same time (relatively) werner erhard founded est which was the precursor to landmark. rJohn Hanley participated with Werner erhard in mind dynamics prior to both companies being founded. They are in absolutely no way affiliated w/ each other. Their foundational distinctions are different. Where life spring focuses on the way people experience others, landmark focuses on transforming oneself. So your comment about them being the same is like saying McDonald’s and nabisco are the same because they are for profit companies and they make food. Now I’m not saying anything bad about life spring, only that its not landmark education and would be willing to bet the results outcome and experience is totally different. Is it possible that I’m not a robot and I have used my experience to tranform my life? I don’t know why I used drugs for ten years, and was depressed for 15. All I know is psychology and psychiatry didn’t make a difference and landmark did. So i got what i wanted out of the forum and now i assist and lead introductions because i want other people to have the experience i had. i dont think its because i got brainwashed into staying sober and being happy and creating service projects for my commity where dentists do dentistry one day a year for free for the underprivelidged, but i guess its possible…
very great well written article about the Landmark Forum experience. I took the forum and finish the advance course 7 years ago and never look back. I look at failure differently now and stop being resentful. Most importantly I love powerfully choosing my life and not blaming circumstances. Thank you for sharing your experience. For those who are skeptical, you might want to do a research on how many successful companies are advocates to LF and fully sponsor their employees to take the course. Don’t guess and judge, experience it yourself.
I have attended the so-called Forum and would advise people to stay away from this psycho babble. Essentially, the organization offers brainwashing and little else. People need to realize this is a money-making scheme and you will never escape this lot until you bluntly tell them you have had enough.
I have had no contact with Landmark for the past 5 years, but, I must admit, it was the best life and job training/work I have ever done for myself. For me, it was like Stephen Covey on steroids – I got a lot out of it, as did my employees who went after my experience. I have reviewed the Forum 1 time and I hope to do so every few years.
My best friend was Stalked and faced Sexual harassment by a landmark education program leader.
Landmark Education claims are all Bullshit on providing an environment free from sexual or other forms of harassment.
Please i beg all the GIRLS/WOMEN reading this to STAY AWAY from landmark forum.
I blame myself every day for registering my best friend into the landmark forum “I gave the landmark forum to her as her birthday gift”
She was so impressed with the landmark education work that she went on to do the Introductions leaders program and her lifes purpose became to become a leader in landmark education.The Worst happened to her she was stalked by a program leader, a married man!!She struggled to function for 3/4 months,she could not talk to him to stop, she finally complained to the Introductions leader program head.
She quit landmark and now she thinks of herself as incapable of dealing with situations in life. She is so beautiful and vibrant has become dull and silent.
We all friends wanted to go to the local newspaper here but my friend and her family refused.
I have started to discourage girls from joining landmark forum.
I pray that landmark education shuts down.
So Anya, can we consider a couple of things. First of all you had nothing to do with what happened. You are making up a story, not the one that happened to your friend but your story, which is called Gossip by the way and I am not defending anyone not even Landmark. This is about how you and your friend have approached this problem and I have only read your side of your story. Now you are free to say whatever it is you wish to say and you can feel as guilty as you want because these are your choices. You can choose to suffer and blame others for how you feel or you can just let it go. I cannot believe that someone would become an Introductions leader and not be able to handle a stalker as you put it. When one gives away their power they become victims. This is not a comment to be right or wrong but simply to point out that you and your friend have choices , be responsible for them. If your friend did Landmark for you than she did not choose but going to the Introductions Leaders Program she must of made some choices. These are only my assumptions because I do know for as we say it is only a story. Do with this information as you wish but I hope you take the time to look within. Take full responsibility for your life and you will see how much happier you can be. Its only you and you get to choose.
Victor,
Thankyou for this.. But if you have the time to explain .. how does a girl deal with a situation when someone is staring at her all the time,nonstop at landmark events (within six feet distance) even after complaining to the head. looking at her body to be precise.
Breaking trust through lies will likely equate to broken get him to want you back.
The reason behind this is the result of pressure.
Every time you are arguing with you’re girlfriend usually ends up by telling you that you can apply as best solutions to your problematic relationship. Soon, though, and wrote both to and about her, including the family doctor or their therapist, too often relegate Adult AD/HD to tooth-fairy status: They don’t believe in marriage, and allows
for personal growth.
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